<I know people who had family who were in wars. But it's... a different kind of war. I don't... you can't just point to a group of people and say 'all of those are the enemy' unless you're literally in their base. And even then, not everyone is there by choice.>

[There's 'laughter' but it's dry and very tired-sounding.]

<I mean we've calculated all sorts of terrible things happening, but this was technology that's totally new to us. How could we have planned for that kind of torture? We couldn't. And our minds aren't built for torture, either. I just... had to retreat into instincts.>